Dickleaker;473459 said:
Hey Tom,
Its awesome to have such a braniac as a member here at
MOS.
I understand most of what you say but as a lay person cannot add much to your theory in scientific words.
Braniac? **blush** I do have a verified 160 IQ, BUT that is not a good thing in many areas of life contrary to what may be assumed. :D It basically leaves you as an idiot in a lot of "normal" areas of life that many people find very easy. LOL
No need to use scientific words to enter this discussion of a PMS! I wish everyone would jump in on this subject of a PMS, as every person is unique and can perhaps fill in missing pieces of the puzzle that would never occur to me otherwise in a million years. In particular, I am honored to have you enter the fray. :D Your "join date" belies the seemingly vast knowledge that you often share throughout the forums. You seem to have a great deal of knowledge and experience that would indicate much more time spent in the Penis Enlargement community. Well, from the posts that I have seen you offer through the forums anyway. So yes, anything that fires up your neurons about a PMS would be greatly appreciated.
Dickleaker;473459 said:
The
penimaster pro glans attachment for
extenders is relatively new and there are a number of guys now using it and extending for much longer times with no discomfort or circulation issues.
I have use it for 8 hours per day altho my average is 6 or so during the first month.It uses a partial vacuum to suck the glans into a chamber with a latex diaphram that covers the glans and distributes the
traction forces to reduce injury and keep good blood circulation to the glans while extending.
Before this I was using the
VLC tugger attachment which gathers the foreskin and traps it with a silicone skin cone.The
extender then attaches to the end of the skin cone .
It is more comfortable than the noose or velcro strap methods of atacHydromaxent but pulls on the penis in a much different way compared to this peni pro method.It pulls the skin and the outer penis tissue and the peni pro pulls the internal penis tissues.
Yes, the hybrid attachment. (In that it uses vacuum as the attachment system to a
traction system) Ingenious and clearly superior to the constriction attachments, because of its larger surface area to disperse force and even distribution of force about that area. Though it is superior, I still wonder about the vacuum placed upon the urethra and "connected plumbing" internally. This might not be a huge deal, I have to do further research into the possible dangers or deleterious effects, of the partial vacuum placed on the penis internally. Looking at what a partial vacuum does from an internal standpoint versus what it does from an external standpoint are complete opposites. Think of it this way, a partial vacuum upon the urethra spreads continuously and evenly into everything that is connected "plumbing wise" :D It should be clear that this application or placement of a vacuum has a constricting or collapsing force on the internal network. I realize that there is no immediate danger as the urethra is subjected to this vacuum by anyone that uses such things as the
Bathmate regularly. But a PMS would need to eventually keep that vacuum in place continuously, that is where a problem might develop that I don't think anyone who "pumps" has experienced yet. This may be all moot if I find that there is a certain natural resistance of the internal structure which is greater than any vacuum level that we would be applying continuously. I just have this dread, because of my current ignorance in this area that someone could wake up with their urethral tube collapsed, and I don't even know at this point if that would even be dangerous. Basically, it is just an issue I have out of ignorance in the matter.
Overall, the device you mention is something that I currently believe is superior to any of the other attachment system currently in use. All things being equal, I would be more comfortable if they allowed an opening near the urethra just to be safe in this regard. Since it is an opening into the internal structure of the penis, you would not lose much, if any depending on how accurately they could remove that small surface area, dispersion of force applied to the penis. But thanks for mentioning it in this thread, as I believe it could be a very good thing to be incorporated is a supposed device to implement a PMS.
Dickleaker;473459 said:
I have tried a few times to wear the vacuum attachment to sleep with my goal being the first 4 hours of the night and remove it when I get up to piss in the middle of the night.
I have not succeeded and have woken up at one hour or one hour and a half on the few attemps.
Your explanation of the drop in blood pressure may be why this happens.
Do you think attaching the device may be more successful for the last 4 hours of sleep rather than the first 4 ??
Did you wake up from "pain", "numbness", or simply "fright"? (Fright meaning simply an unfamiliar feeling) The waking up after only an hour or two indicates that whatever was happening was occurring during the gradual pressure drop induced by sleep. As I pointed out earlier, the lowest blood pressures are usually reached at about two hours after falling asleep. So your body essentially wouldn't let you stay in that thing at that level of vacuum all the way to the lowest blood pressure period. Which is good, it probably stopped you from injuring yourself in some way :D
What I do not know about this device is how you control or measure the level of vacuum. Is this possible with that thing? In relative terms, I would think that to get safely pass that period of time when your blood pressure was at its lowest (roughly the two hour mark) you would have to reduce your normal, (awake and alert), tolerable vacuum level by roughly 30% or so to get "over the hump" before you went to sleep in the first place.
Obviously, lowering the vacuum pressure, would also lower the amount of "traction" that you would be applying, but the fundamental with a PMS is that time under
traction (ideally constant force) is magnitudes of order more important than
traction force itself. And if one manages to stay under a lower force constantly, or perpetually :D, which would include time spent sleeping, I am contending that far, far, far, more cells could be induced into the mitosis phase over time than can be achieved with intermittent sessions of higher intensity. (Again, look at geometric series and sums, and keep in mind that new "parents" are always appearing at the Gzero phase "waiting" to be pushed into the mitosis phase or S phase of the cell cycle.)
Not directed at you, but anyone following along and going "horse puckey" to the fundamental tenet of a PMS being the most efficient possible way to maximize gains, which is just an increasing number of cells over time (and hopefully mutated cell structure too :D). I know that this whole discussion will be met with harsh, even if not outward, skepticism and disdain by those who adore the inherent inefficiency of high-intensity intermittent forces commingled with vast periods of times that produce absolutely nothing it terms of gains because there is no longer any force to keep pushing new parents out of the Gzero phase.
As a common sense thought experiment, to keep it real simple. Imagine that one of the people who stretches their lips out with discs approached their goal the way that traditional Penis Enlargement is practiced. Really think about it. Because what they are doing and do is almost identical to what we are doing in Penis Enlargement in every way. They are simply exerting a force upon the tissue to cause or trigger mitosis. There is no "exercise" in real terms with Penis Enlargement or those people doing their lip modification. We are not "exercising" anything. (except for the pelvic floor muscles :D) Any significant amount of "growth" that takes place is really just an increase in the number of cells and not actual growth of cells themselves. It is a matter of an increasing number of cells and not a growth of the individual cells themselves. Otherwise we would be using hypertrophy like body builders do to make the muscles bigger, but we are not working with muscles here, but rather tissues, fibers, and ligaments composed of cells. That is why we use mitosis of cells to "grow" instead. (even if we don't use those words...we say "stretch", "engorge", etc...but we are just triggering mitosis of parent cells by creating the separation trigger for mitosis to begin)
Anyway, back to the analogy. Imagine that these lip stretchers tried to wear the biggest disk possible at any given time in their lip. What would they feel? It would hurt like a motherfu**er and they would be lucky to keep it in place for an hour at a time. And they would probably be so sore from such forces being applied that they would reluctantly maybe put it back in for another hour or two here and there. They definitely would not wear it to sleep. And anyone of them who was even a little bit shy of pain would be lucky to apply one good session a day. How long do you think it would take to accumulate enough mitosis of cells to produce those huge lips that they so proudly display? Remember right off the top, that they do not wear these things in their sleep because it is too painful, so for a full one-third of their entire life spent towards this goal is simply wasted. I will bet you dollars to donuts that the growth rate would be so slow and painful that most would abandon the pursuit altogether before they saw any significant gains.
But, giving them extreme props :D, they are not stupid! LOL They do not try to shove in large disks or go super high "intensity" like we often foolishly and inefficiently do in the Penis Enlargement world. They simply start with disks small enough, read apply less force, that they can keep in place at all times, read constant force. They only place a larger disk, read increase intensity, in the lip when it can easily be worn at all times, read constant force. The result. They achieve remarkably mutated lips in a relatively short period of time. Some of those ridiculously large discs, really plates, are achieved in as little as a year of gradually increasing the plate diameter. Most of the people that you see with them still in place simply only wear them after that short time period of growth as a display of the plate, rather than it being an ongoing process to get larger. But this staggering and rapid "growth" of these people's lips is achieved only because of the application of a constant force that is tolerable at all times, not because they let a truck pull on it for an hour at a time. :D They start out with a tiny peg placed in a hole. And over time only increase the size, read intensity, when it is tolerable to do so at all times. This is their secret, one that I believe that the Penis Enlargement community needs to embrace at some point, if it is to evolve into a highly efficient and productive part of medical science in the future. I think that if this process and technique of applying a PMS is defined, we may one day see "gains" that would have taken the Great Pioneers and Leaders within the Penis Enlargement community, such as Mike, years and years to experience through extensive and admirable determination and effort over that timespan, future noobs to the Brotherhood could have those same gains in a fraction of the time and with far less intensity ever being necessary. That is my dream for all of those who will come to join in the Community of the future, and that is the aim of this serious discussion of a possible way to push Penis Enlargement along to a new evolutionary step.
Just as a side note :D
SRT is brilliant, and a milestone, within the Penis Enlargement community. I have nothing but respect and admiration for the things put forth within it by Daddy. I see its underlying principles as LAW and completely backed by every scientific paper that I have come across so far. While "my" PMS is filled with different words, and may look at it from a slightly different perspective, with perhaps, and I do not wish to offend in anyway, a clearer explanation of WHY
SRT would work. If anyone does not like that, perhaps I could offer that a PMS is just looking to maximize the efficiency of
SRT. :D Love you all, please don't be offended. This whole discussion and theory is about helping my fellow man.
As to what four hours of sleep are better to be applying force, the first or the last. Well, the four hours that you can maintain constantly will be the best four hours. :D From what you said, it sounds like you are using too much force to get through the first four hours due to the drop in blood pressure. So the latter four would probably be better for you to experiment with. After the low point in blood pressure about two hours into sleep the next six are spent climbing back to normal rest pressure that you would have during the day. So relatively speaking, you will have an average pressure much higher during the second four hours. Again, I would recommend that you find the intensity that you can withstand constantly during the day, drop that intensity or force by roughly 30% and see how that works out for you. I am leaning to the idea that if we match a "waking" level of constant tolerable force with a force 70% of that, that that level would be sustainable during sleep. Obviously, you would be smart to test this slowly. But I have no doubt that you have common sense. See if you can stand this reduced force for two hours straight first. And then progressively try to extend this period of time over the span of several days or weeks to find what you will eventually be able to withstand without any damage through the entire night.
An even wiser approach, would be to use FAR less force at first, maybe even what you would consider a "useless" amount that you are sure that you could withstand. And then slowly increase it over progressive nights until you realize that the force is becoming "noticeable". There will be a sweet spot in there somewhere. Again, the whole premise is that you will instigate a lot more mitosis by staying under a constant force. We want to destroy the illusion that intensity is somehow a key to growth. It is, but it is a tiny key, that only gets you into the door that leads to the room of growth. The vault filled with treasure within that room is opened with a different key. The big golden key, the one made of time. :D
Dickleaker;473459 said:
Since last week I have started wrapping my cock with an electric heating pad while extending and after aboiut 30 minutes what was initially high tension and a maxed oot stretch in the
extender ,my penis stretches out another 1/2" or more from the constant high heat.
What are your thoughts on the
penimaster pro and my suggested use of it in the later stage of sleep and the benefits of using the heating pad while extending?
Also what are your thoughts on the
Uncle Jim's wrap as a means to keep the penis in a slightly extended state for times when not in the
extender?
thanks for your elaborate breakdown of what we are doing here and your creative ideas on how to improve the process
Heat is bar far the easiest way to increase efficiency in regards to the effort used in doing Penis Enlargement no matter in what form. The entire penile structure is dominated by collagen of different types. The tensile strength of the collagen triple helixes has a direct inverse quadratic relationship with temperature. Simply put, an increase in temperature of the collagen within the penis exponentially decreases the tensile strength of those helix structures internally and to other adjacent helixes. An easy approximation to bear in mind, is that the tensile strength of the collagen fibers is decreased by half that which is normal (near body temperature) at a temperature of about 105F (40.5C). The implications of which are that you can cause the same "separation" among the cells with half the force needed at normal temperatures. Or if you prefer, you could cause as much as double the separation among cells with the same level of force. Notice I am talking about at the cellular level and not the macro level. No people, you will not be able to suddenly stretch your penis like sixteen inches in the hot tub at the club. :D LOL Plus heat also has the other benefits going for it too, like increased blood flow. increased moisture (if from a good source of heat which produce humidity), etc.
By the way, yes, I have been experimenting already myself with maximum tolerable level of heat while doing Penis Enlargement. And without a doubt high heat is better than regular heat, just as regular heat is better than no heat. :D What I personally noted with high heat in stretching is that not that much time is necessary for the heat to have significant impact on the elasticity of the collage. I can stretch under high heat, keep the tension constant, let that stretch "bake" in the high heat for a minute, and I can easily stretch a significant amount more after the "bake period", bake some more, stretch some more. Maybe a minute stretch, bake a minute, stretch some more, bake, repeat. I am pretty good about no cutting off my circulation with stretches so far, knock on wood, and that is what I have experienced. I only pushed it to the limit about a week ago, "hurt" myself is some way being stupid. You can find the tale in the forums if you are curious. Basically, I took more advantage of the effects of high heat than I should have if I wasn't so stupid and eager to push the issue. Again, high heat, as much as you can tolerate, without going over 110F which could cause severe burns after about ten minutes, is perhaps the holy grail of pushing the limits of how far we can weaken the collagen without chemicals. (I really would recommend staying around 105F as this can be tolerated by most people indefinitely without causing burns or major discomfort)
As to the
Uncle Jim's Wrap. I think it is a great idea. Sadly, I personally have not figured out how to implement it correctly for me. I always lose circulation far too quickly while wrapped sufficiently tight enough to keep me "extended". But that is probably something peculiar to my individual penis. In theory, I love it. Just as I love the theory of the
traction devices in general. I just don't like the limits placed on the circulation system. To be honest, from what I have learned trying to figure out this whole PMS theory, I think that those people who can really stay wrapped 24/7 in an extended state would have more gains long term than they would using the fancy
extenders that they can only wear for an hour or two at a time. That really is probably the biggest difference, and best illustration of such, between a PMS and traditional Penis Enlargement in general. That that tiny force of a wrap which could be maintained continuously would be more effective and efficient than the intense force of a
traction device used intermittently in the long-run. (And the few medical studies that have been done so far on the
traction devices indicate as much.) Not to mention that in the fields of cosmetic surgery it is conclusively shown that they "grow" more skin tissue (also made up of collagen :D) under constant force than anyone has even come anywhere close to demonstrating in the Penis Enlargement world with intermittent forces.
But using a wrap to supplement
extender use...Hell Yeah! Anything that you can do to keep some force or
traction going for as much time as possible. That is what a PMS is!!! LOL If you aren't in the
extender, and you aren't in the wrap, you aren't pushing any parent cells into the mitosis phase, and you aren't doing anything to "grow" during that time :D