youknowme123321;544278 said:
I'm the DLD of this nutrition thread...few believe what i say, but those who do will reap great benefit as well as those close to them.
TRUE NUTRITION FIRST. Calorie deficit diets are an old overly simple method. it is just addition and subtraction. Our bodies aren't elementary school education they are Chaos Mathematics so difficult it is unlikely we will fully understand them before our species goes extinct. Luckily because of DLD, future species will see us DLD followers to be large cocked kings!!! To put it simply, causing our bodies to function highly in the negative is BAD. To function at a high level physiologically and improve longevity by preventing disease and illness we must stay away from the negative and think of only an abundance of nutrition.
If you eat all healthy foods but still function in the negative it won't work for long. This is why those diets dont last. People do it and YES they lose weight. They enjoy these benefits but many negative responses are occurring in the body. The responses STRESS our bodies and minds. While they are losing weight they have strong cravings for unhealthy foods, many of which are the reason they are overweight. Their bodies actually break down muscle into glucose to maintain blood glucose levels reducing their lean muscle mass!!!!!!!! Your calorie negative diet plan causes quick weight loss which is mostly water and lean muscle mass especially if its a calorie and carb restrictive diet. 1 carb binds with 4 grams of water in muscle tissue so if you reduce carbs water leaves muscles because it has no carb to bind to. This effect disappears in 10-14 days once your body won't let more water be released from muscle tissue. This is why popular diets say lose 7-12 lbs in 2 weeks or why personal trainers say it as well to get clients to train with them. After this not only does fat disappear slowly but muscle does as well. Some people last longer than other but eventually 9/10 put the weight back on because their bodies were so stressed they craved. YOU ARE LITERALLY MAKING A BODY GO INTO STARVATION MODE!!!!!
Calorie negative diets only focus on reducing numbers on a scale. People either pretend calorie negative diets are nutritious or they're stupid and actually think it's a nutritious diet because if your losing weight you must be healthy. People need true nutrition and a good exercise program individualized to them that balances stress and rest. When you do that calorie numbers mean nothing. Just read about "negative effects of calorie restrictive diets." Look at it from all angles. Cover each body system. Cover as many pathophysiologies as you can. I don't know how old you are but pre-med to DO to ND is the probably best route with a focus in Preventive Medicine.
Go eat 5000 calories a day of non processed foods and non factory meat products every day and exercise (some days vary calories). Only eat whole foods and pasture raised beef and chicken. Best if you can meet the animals before and say hi. Farms that dont hide anything are the best. you wont gain an ounce of fat. youll lose it unless you have none to really lose because you are already shredded up. you may already feel great every day and be super focused and dedicated and on top of everything in your life but all of that will magnify when your body is no long functioning in a negative (if you don't function in a negative calorie balance do it with a client). TRUE NUTRITION FIRST. It's an old overly simple method. it is just addition and subtraction
Let me find the studies i have filed away sometime. No longer have as great of access to research databases since I've been out of school but know i have some in boxes.
Seriously though, give it a try. I know if i did it your way I'd lose weight (i'd also feel the effects of lack of sufficient calories and nutrients). Also, try it with clients. Male clients are the best when testing something out. Just remember, only whole foods and non factory meats.
My daily diet is:
2 lb of raw greens - spinach, kale, swiss chard, mustard greens, bok choy, arugula... basically whatever I have that day
8 oz. fresh tomatoes
2 oz. tomato paste
1 lb carrots
4 avg size pickling cucumbers
8 oz sweet potato
6 eggs
12 oz chicken...i blend 6 oz up in water and drink it down in a few seconds
10 oz whatever kind of steak I have that day *** i buy all my meat in bulk from a small farm. So much frozen chicken meat and practically a whole cow
homemade pizza every day from scratch...at this point i can make it and have it cooked in 20 mins flat but make 3 pizzas and just cook each at eating time
2 almond butter sandwiches on homemade bread in the middle of the night
*onions, garlic, basil, parsley, tumeric like crazy
I am 5'9'' 175lbs. 8-11% BF. No where near as active as I once was because of new business. I spend more time charting & getting the books straight than exercising (I hang and Penis Enlargement while doing this). This forum is proving to be a nice distraction. I don't gain any weight (muscle or fat) and maintain my muscle mass with 20-30 minutes of exercise daily.
small variations from this with all types of vegetables. And salmon a few times a week. I take nootropic supplements, pressed aloe juice, and about 1000 calories worth of chia seeds a day. Also cannabis orally. Much of my diet is blended to save time and to not tax my GI tract like the american diet does(crohns dz, IBS, cholecystectomies, GERD, colon CA, gastric CA, pancreatic CA, liver CA, esophageal/tracheal throat CA (strong non diet associations with throat CA's such as cigarrettes and HPV(HPV being a newer cause in recent years)). Some people say my life is boring but i cant get enough of it.
Also into alpha brain wave control to reduce sleep needed and reduce stress inflammatory responses in the body.
JORDEY & ZAMBRODUM3 - please just open your minds. Calorie negative diets...you know what they are. They have been around since exercise and dieting got big in the 19980's. They are behind every single pop culture fad diet out there. We know they get people to lose weight. we know it is easier to gain back weight during and after these diets because our bodies were in starvation mode because of the negative calorie balance. hopefully you know the huge negative effects of them when maintained over long periods of time. go out there and learn even more. i'll be right there with you reading.
I'm sure we probably agree more on muscle building because that is much easier than weight loss, even for those who see themselves as hard gainers.
i still dont agree with anything youve said and i dont know anyone who would. not because its so cutting edge, but simply because it makes absolutely no sense. diets DO work, well by diet i mean calorie restriction. and by calorie contriction i DON'T mean just eating a tiny amount every day, i mean having 300-600 calories less than what you burn daily.
There are a few reasons why the majority of popular mainstream diets dont work. when people do them they have no nutritional knowledge and so dont understand why they are eating certain thing and so make poor decisions. they also have the wrong focus on calories. so many people ive seen counting calories, look for low calorie foods, then i ask them how much they consume per day and they dont know, so what are they counting for? most diets focusing on eating low calorie foods, but not on the bigger picture of the daily calorie intake. related to this there is also alot of focus on diet/ low fat foods. majority of the time these are more unhealthy than the regular versions, and this stems off of the fact people have little nutritional knowledge and think fat is evil and that eating fat will make you fat which is just not the case. most diets focus on the short term (i.e. abs in 4 weeks!) to draw people in, so they can make money. in real life, the change should be permanent and for life.
i have personally cut and bulked so know exactly what happens at both ends of the scale when counting calories. with a small deficit you WILL NOT lose significant muscle mass if you maintain your lifts. i cut 8 pounds of fat in 4 weeks, losing only 1/2 a pound of muscle. that really isnt much. blood glucose levels are not an issue with a small deficit. you will get enough glucose from the carbs you eat, and if you cut carbs considerable, you will get the glucose from the conversion of dietary/stored fats to glucose, and in rare cases, dietary protein to glucose. you may lose GLYCOGEN from the muscle, but this will not result in a loss of muscle tissue, and as soon as youre consuming enough calories again this glycogen store will be filled up again (the basis of carbloading). your body will not go into 'starvation mode' if you are eating a small deficit, people throw this word around waayyyy too much.
calorie restriction WILL lead to weight loss, and depending on lifestyle/ exercises level will lose fat. i have personally restricted calories and lost weight and most of it being fat (i use calipers to measure fat percentage). if you go on bodybuilding forum or any fitness forum you will see anyone who wants results eats either a surplus to gain muscle, or a deficit to lose fat. you can get ALL of the nutrients you need daily with a small calorie restriction.
i HAVE eaten more than i burn in 'healthy' food. when i started out getting into improving my health/ fitness, i didnt know much about nutrition and thought eating healthy was enough to lose weight. i was eating lean meats, alloott of vegetables, sweet potatoes, brown rice etc. at first i didnt gain any weight. and i didnt lose any. but because i was doing regular exercise for the first time in years iwas getting hungrier, starting eating more (still healthy though) and i gained weight. when it comes to macros and body composition your body doesnt know the difference. when talking about body composition, eating 80g of carbs from potatoes is the same as eating 80g of straight sugar, in the end they will both be monosaccharides and will be used the same way. eating healthier will mean you are healthier, but it wont affect your body compisition if you are eating the same macros from junk food. again, just talking about body compisition here, not overall health.
if you think calorie restricted diets are bad for you, i invite you to research them a little:
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1108368
this is a follow up study originally done on mice, with the findings being the same. the calorie constriction led to
increased longevity. i dont think its a good idea to be on a calorie restricted diet all the time, but going on one for short periods now and then to lose unwanted fat will not at all affect your health negatively, and could actually be beneficial.
im not trying to have an argument or attack you in any way incase thats how i came off, but i would really like you to explain if energy balance isnt true, whats really happening when you consume a certain amount of calories?
