>>>>>Your "Poo-pooing" my theory because it doesn't fit with your experience
No, I am "poo-pooing" your theory because it doesn't fit with the reports of a great many who have Penis Enlargement'd, not just my own.
>>>>>and/or you can't visualize want I'm trying to explain
No, I believe I understand what your theory says. If I have mischaracterized your theory and attacked a straw man, please point out how and I will gladly apologize.
>>>>"What about him? I am trying to understand his relevance to your "heal under strecthed state" argument. Are you suggesting that he was healing while he was hanging?"
>>>>>I'm sure his body was adapting somewhat under that stretched state...yes...if not more so by a
traction method.
Ok, so just to be clear on this one so that I don't misrepresent you, are you or are you not of the opinion that spending long hours hanging allowed Bib to heal or adapt in the stretched state?
>>>> There are lot's of information on all the Penis Enlargement boards that support this "theory".
Yes there are. But there are also lots of reports that contradict the theory as well.
Bear in mind.... I don't claim to have the answers here, nor do I claim to have the correct theory. I'm pointing out our need for new theories. And again... I'm not criticizing you for trying..... I'm criticizing the theory.
>>>>"Also, I happen to be involved in science myself. I'm currently working on my Masters in Human Nutrition. I guarantee you that my definition is compatible with a scientist's definition."
>>>>Good for you...you've contributed alot to this thread and helped alot of people.... :s
Since I am trying my best to keep this civil and attack your arguments rather than attack you, maybe you could try to do the same, yeah?
>>>>>Do you mean that it hasn't been proven that there are in fact connective tissues in your penis (such as the tunica, ligs, etc.) that limit the expansion and/or length?
>>>>>"No. I don't know where you are getting this from."
>>>>Ok, are you new to Penis Enlargement? You can do a search or look in pretty much any anatomy book and see what I'm referring to.
Oops! Looks like I read that one too fast before I responded. I thought you were asking me if I believed that it hasn't been proven that there are connective tissues etc. etc in the penis... to which I responded "no" because I didn't know why you would think that I don't believe that there are connective tissues in the penis. My bad. Yes, of course, there are connective tissues that limit the expansion of the penis.
>>>>>You big scientist picking apart us little stupid guy's post because we are not following the laws of how a "real" scientist should come to a possible theory...
I'm still more like a "scientist in training" at this point. Also, I am not trying to make you feel stupid. Please calm down.
>>>> why don't you help make this better if you are a scientist instead of picking apart and critsizing?
Part of trying to make a better theory is recognizing the flaws in existing one. This is what I am attempting to do.
>>>>>>Ok, what I mean by healing in the stretched state can also mean adapting in the stretched state... If you can keep you connective tissues (including other tissues) in the stretched state (because connective tissues tend to go back to their original size...after some time)
"If you can keep your connective tissues in the stretched state". I know of no other way to do this other than by using an
ADS. Well, you could just stay home and pull on your penis all day too.
Now, look: your argument for why "adapting in the stretched state" would work is this: ""because connective tissues tend to go back to their original size after some time". Okay. This implies that those who DO NOT "adapt in the stretched state" will not tend to gain.
You are making a general comment here about connective tissue here...not just "a hard gainer's conective tissue". This statement applies to pretty much everyone who Penis Enlargement's WITHOUT "adapting in the stretched state", which I believe, refers to those who do not use an
ADS, or who do not hang for as many hours as Bib, etc. Which means, the majority of those that Penis Enlargement. I.e, most of us.
What about those who gain from 20 to 30 minutes a day of stretching? Surely this time frame is too short to allow "adapting in the stretched state." How do they manage to gain, then, if "connective tissues tend to go back to their original size" if they do not adapt in the stretched state? No more talk of easy gainers. You are making a general statement about how connective tissue works, so that must apply to all of us.... or at least MOST of us, yeah?
And to reiterate... I know that using an
ADS, or long hours of hanging, have worked for many. I am merely suggesting that we don't know, right now, WHY it works.
>>>>>No, you didn't read any of my post's very good... you might want to go back. Since you are constintly keeping the connective tissues and the penis stretched out every 2 hours or so...then you are therefor not allowing the connective tissues to return back to their original size during heal/adaptation time...wich they tend to contract back, over a course of a certain timeframe.
This is an interesting thought. So by regularly stretching, you reopen the tears before they heal in the "small" state, is that what you are suggesting?
>>>>>"But this theory does not account for girth gains. If it is necessary for men of a "plastic" tissue nature to heal in the stretched state, how do they ever gain any girth? No one walks around all day with a flaccid girth that is bigger than their usual erect girth - not even with a cockring, sorry (I've tried it). "
>>>>>>Why are there people who experience girth gains, using only lengthening exercises?
>>>>>>"I don;t know. But your response avoid the issue: if the plastic tissue heal under stretched state theory is true, how do you explain those who report girth gains from girth exercises?"
>>>>>>I wasn't trying to avoid the question considering I've already explained my theory on all this in previous post's... which you seem to be picking apart based on the definition of every word I use... and not disproving it with any evidence... but anyways...
>>>>>>Think of it as blowing up a balloon. You keep it blown up to it's max for a while. You now release the air and you'll see that most of the size is gone...
With you so far. We've stretched the balloon, now it's gone back down to it's original size (mostly)....
>but you were still successful in causing somewhat of a permanent size gain...
Aha! The mere act of stretching it has caused the size to increase permanently ever so slightly. Nothing here about the balloon adapting in a stretched state or whatever (unless the adaptation is instantaneously the moment we stretch it, which I don't think either of us believes to be the case!)....
>>>>without needing to keep it stretched non-stop all day.
This is what I am saying re: Penis Enlargement. There are so many Penis Enlargement-er's who have reported gaining without needing to keep it stretched all day....
>>>> The balloon actually acts alot like connective tissues except we have the ability to heal,
OK. Now, this is where I have the problem. What is happening when the connective tissues heal in Penis Enlargement? In successfull Penis Enlargement, they heal larger. As you just explained with the balloon example, they don't need to stay in the stretched state in order to show a permanent size increase, correct?
But you are arguing that while they don't NEED to be in the stretched state while adapting, it HELPS to be, especially if you are a hard gainer, right?
So far I am with you. I even agree with you up to this point! But here's the rub: WHY does it help the "hardgainer" to heal (adapt, whatever) in the stretched state? What is the proposed theory as to why it helps? Show me an explanation as to why it helps that does NOT imply that one can't gain without healing in the stretched state.
That's the problem. Every explanation I have heard so far implies just that.
So you see..... I have no problem with you, your methods, or your plans. Try your new approach and God Bless. I'm expressing my frustration over the fact that here we all are, pulling and tugging and squeezing away to get bigger dicks..... without really knowing precisely what is happening in our tissues.
And since we're talking about scientists.... let me also express my frustration over the fact that almost all scientists think that Penis Enlargement is total bullshit and will probably NEVER devote any research into how or why Penis Enlargement works.