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doublelongdaddy;495408 said:Never knew water would need to be so specific...why?
I guess it needs to be sterile or it could cause an infection, maybe something to do with mixing it with the proteins.
doublelongdaddy;495408 said:Never knew water would need to be so specific...why?
sizerp;496289 said:Technically ester does effect potency for testosterone, as it plays a role in the total molecular weight. For testosterone enanthate dosed at 250mg/mL, it's equal to about 180mg of free testosterone, that leaves 70mg of total weight dedicated to the ester. Testosterone cypionate would technically be less potent at the same dose/compound due to the fact that the ester contains 1 more carbon atom, and therefore taking up a larger percentage of total weight.
EDIT: This is a measurable difference, however not too significant. Now I go...
diesel225;495295 said:your right king but they are confusing reg ig1 and the igf-lr3 the lr3 part of this is what they bonded to the igf1 to increase total life of the peptide form 20 min to 12 hr the reason for this is it is used by bodybuilders and the reg igf1 20 min life span was insufficient. most users claim more growth to the muscle it is injected in but technically it doesn't matte were you stick the lr3 as plasma levels are increased.
its like test enenthate or test cyp they are both are testosterone no difference at all the difference is the ester test has a half life of like an hr in the body but drug companies need viable so they add these esters on to the testosterone the difference in cyp and enenehthate if clearance time
cyp 12 days for total clearance peak plasma levels in 6 day this is called the half life.
enenthate 7 days 3.5 for peak plasma levels
my main objection to injecting it was due to the acetic acid not the igf1. if you are just using the ba water then i think it would be helpful and would cause hyperplasia. if your looking for just straight igf1 it will cost a lot less and may since you are only looking for the short duration and site specific work be the best choice. another one you might think of as even better is DES IGF1 it is short duration and is 1000 stronger then reg ifg1 but agin I'm not sure as the penis is not muscle and might not effect it like it does muscle mass.
im not sure if this would help but this is how bodybuilders use the igf1 r3 protocol they use mgf first then 15 min later inject igf1 in the same muscle group. the reason for this is mgf is like a cell activator and in the igf family but like most peptides they they are opposing so they can not be in the same place at the same time. then you induce the igf1 and it builds on the work the mgf did. I'm not sure if this would help in the penis but i thought i would mention it. maybe someone would try it.
sizerp;496335 said:Furthermore, I know you weren't discussing the molecular weight or potency of either compound, however since you were wrong about the half-life of Test Cyp., I figured I'd chime in. The half-life of Test Cyp is NOT 12 days, it's about 16 days, and the active life is 8 days.
Testosterone Cypionate Profile
17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + cypionate ester
Formula: C27 H40 O3
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 132.1184
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester): C8 H14 O2
Melting Point (base): 155
Melting Point (ester): 98 - 104 C
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 8 days
Detection Time: 3 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 100/100.
Lastly, I remain confident you are not qualified to share truth or expertise on the subject and should therefore refrain from sharing any theories. You're just dumbing down the forum.
sizerp;496335 said:Furthermore, I know you weren't discussing the molecular weight or potency of either compound, however since you were wrong about the half-life of Test Cyp., I figured I'd chime in. The half-life of Test Cyp is NOT 12 days, it's about 16 days, and the active life is 8 days.
Testosterone Cypionate Profile
17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + cypionate ester
Formula: C27 H40 O3
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 132.1184
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester): C8 H14 O2
Melting Point (base): 155
Melting Point (ester): 98 - 104 C
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 8 days
Detection Time: 3 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 100/100.
Lastly, I remain confident you are not qualified to share truth or expertise on the subject and should therefore refrain from sharing any theories. You're just dumbing down the forum.
kingsnake;494964 said:Hey fellas. I've kept this to myself but for the last couple of weeks I've been studing up on IGF -1 LR3, better known as Insulin-like Growth Factor Long R3.
Bodybuilders have been using this stuff for a hot minute now to cause hyperplasia incourage cellular divison in there skeletal muscles. I have come across various bodybuilding sites and even Penis Enlargement sites where members have been injecting with IGF directly into there CC and reporting girth gains weeks to months after.
From the studies I've read to keep the IGF locally in the penis to attached to recepter sites, one has to use a cock ring or clamp for 10 to 20 minutes so most of the IGF stays in the penis and has time to bind to available receptors in the CC and not go systemic. A couple of members have said that after a couple of weeks of using IGF they can feel there CCs expanding and pushing against the tunica since the tunica has not yet grown to accomidate the newly grown CC inside. They call it the stuffed sausage feeling. Some members even said that the continued pressure of the CC against the tunica eventually caused the tunica to expand as well to releave the pressure.
The protocal is to first apply some form of stress to the penis like stretching, hanging or girth work to stimulate a growth/healing response. After the penis has been properly worked then you would work up to a semi erection and clamp it off with a constriction device then you would inject 10 to 20mcgs of IGF into the CC and leave it clamped off for 15 to 20 minutes so most of the IGF stays in your penis and has time to attached to receptors and start the growth/ cell division process.
Members from other Penis Enlargement sites have been reporting huge girth gains from this protocal after weeks to a couple of months of taking it. One particular member from Penis Enlargementgym named stagestop has reported a 1.5 inch gain in girth from a little over a year of taking IGF. One good thing about IGF is you can order it off the web and it doesn't require a priscription. Im thinking about getting some but before I do, I would like to share information about IGF with members here that have more experiance with it.
One thing that worries me about it is if IGF stimulates celluar divison in smooth muscle, skeletical muscle, and soft tissue then could this also stimulate cell division in other organs like the heart and cause problems if it goes systemic.
I remember a long time ago Supra was experimenting with IGF but I never found out what results he had with it. Let's research this chemical guys and discuss the potential with IGF.