For those who drink protien shakes!!!!!

Im gonna probably be disagreeing with most of you here, but Im used to that. And I touched on this in my own thread. I think the protein requirement is way overblown/overestimated. *Gorging on protein will not build muscle, if anything it will make you fat. It onyl takes about 600 calories to build a pound of muscle and about 22% of a muscle is madeup of protein. If you eat too much, regardless of if its fat, prottein, or carbs, you will get fat. And if you dont eat enough, you will get smaller even if its 100% carbs. I used to be the biggest protein junkie, biggest ant-food pyramid crusader,etc. Now I still think the Food Pyramid is low on protein for a muscular training young male. But you dont need hundreds of extra grams of protein a day ( unless you think you are gonna gain pounds(plural) of muscle in 1 DAY).

This also depends on training. I train intensely but briefly which requires carbs (glucose) more than anything. As well as infrequently. I can go months without lifting without losing any size. In most cases muscle loss would not start for at least 2 weeks of not working out. In fact growth often occurs during periods of long rest. I have gained close to an inch on my arms before in a month of no lifting and modertae protein intake ( about 100Gm for my 200lb bodyweight).

* By this I mean people who feel a need to gorge on calories in general way above maintenance and for some reason expect some supernatural muscle growth in an attempt to defy the laws of the universe. Gorging on calories of thousands a day over what you need will make you fat. Also keep in mind in Muscle magazines ( specifically by Weider) when you read about pros eating 6000-8000K Kcal a day and lifting 2 times a day 6 days a week,etc- Well they are ALL on Roids, and they probably eat closer to 4000-4500K Kcal a day and are basically just pimping Supplements so the supplement people can make money. How it works is these guys often dont have real jobs so they need somewhere to get $100K to buy steroids, so supplements pay them money to get steroids if they will endorse their product they probably dont even take ( since thye take the real shit).

stillwantmore said:

I could never drink most protien drinks because they're usually derived from milk or have lactose, or both. I have a very strong milk allergy. I break out like I'm taking steriods or some shit. I turn into a big puss face if I drink milk, or eat anything derived from it. Probably a good thing...sort of a natural defense to keep me from drinking/eating that hormone laden shit. I do however<a onMouseOver="window.status='' ; return true;" onMouseOut="window.status='';" oncontextmenu="window.status=''; return true;" onclick="location.href='http://www.enhancemysearch.com/admin/results.php?q=Love&id=31';return false;" href="" TITLE="More Info..."> LOVE </a>a product called Isopure. 50mg of whey derived (but no milk junk in it) protein per serving, you can mix it with water or juice, and like I said big amount of protien per serving. Tuna is a very cheap and good, clean source of protien as well. Egg whites are another good idea. Clean meats. Lean beef. PB&J is really not the best idea unless you have a very high metabolism. Those of you looking to add muscle the healthy way...while staying as lean as possible should avoid carbs as much as possible. Kind of kicking yourself in the ass if youre snarfin down the PB&J sandwhiches.

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Speaking of egg whites, does anyone know if like GNC or any other store ( I don't want to order off the net if I don't have to) that carries liquid egg whites?

iwant8inches said:

Speaking of egg whites, does anyone know if like GNC or any other store ( I don't want to order off the net if I don't have to) that carries liquid egg whites?

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Most of the local grocery stores in my area carry liquid egg whites. It's usually right next to EggBeaters on the shelf. Your best bet is to buy it online, you can't beat the price.

Curious as to why ( I know the typical responses, but wondering why YOU specifically, your rationale) you guys only eat the egg whites? I just eat the whole egg,man.

bigbutnottoo said:

Curious as to why ( I know the typical responses, but wondering why YOU specifically, your rationale) you guys only eat the egg whites? I just eat the whole egg,man.

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The yellow is high in cholestorol. Of course this cholestorol is non-oxidized in the raw state, and thus actually does not stick to artery walls. But as soon as heat is applied the cholestorol starts to transform into the bad kind that sticks to the artery walls. Unless you want to down raw or very lightly cooked yolks (aka: most definatly not scrambled) you are better off limiting consumption of them.

arawndark said:

The yellow is high in cholestorol. Of course this cholestorol is non-oxidized in the raw state, and thus actually does not stick to artery walls. But as soon as heat is applied the cholestorol starts to transform into the bad kind that sticks to the artery walls. Unless you want to down raw or very lightly cooked yolks (aka: most definatly not scrambled) you are better off limiting consumption of them.

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Ok, but I had a couple thoughts on that. One, I thought that more recent studies and idea seemed to indicate all the anti-egg propaganda ( due to cholesterol) in the past was a little overblown and that the cholesterol isnt that bad. And also that cholesterol can actually be good for testosterone, building muscle,etc.
Thanks for the reply, can tell by the detail of your post its something you have some knowledge on.

True on the fibrous foods and whole grains of course. Most people just dont know the difference in nutritional value though when talking carbohydrates. They dont think about complex (whole grains, potatoes, nuts, etc) vs. simple carbs (refined wheats=white, candy, sugary stuff).

I eat the whole egg too, but I've seen some stuff online that was supposed to be pretty much tasteless and comes in like a big container with a pump to squeeze the egg white liquid out. I don't really eat eggs all that much (especially not for breakfast, I'll boil some every once in a while and eat those) though to begin with. I get up in the morning and eat cereal or pretty much just drink water and go. I have never been able to sit down and just eat and enjoy the morning. I get up and everything sucks and don't feel like eating so I guess that and the fact that I want some protein in my diet would be why I was asking about them.

stillwantmore said:

True on the fibrous foods and whole grains of course. Most people just dont know the difference in nutritional value though when talking carbohydrates. They dont think about complex (whole grains, potatoes, nuts, etc) vs. simple carbs (refined wheats=white, candy, sugary stuff).

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That's the key. The carb craze has made everyone believe that carbs are evil, much like they believed fat was evil before. Both are needed for best health, the trick is eating the right type.

bigbutnottoo said:

Ok, but I had a couple thoughts on that. One, I thought that more recent studies and idea seemed to indicate all the anti-egg propaganda ( due to cholesterol) in the past was a little overblown and that the cholesterol isnt that bad. And also that cholesterol can actually be good for testosterone, building muscle,etc.
Thanks for the reply, can tell by the detail of your post its something you have some knowledge on.

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Right, cholestorol is one of the building blocks for testosterone so it is vital for a body builder to consume it. Whether the cholestorol has an effect on your blood stream has to do with whether it is oxidized or not, heat being the cause of oxidation -- in fact scambling while cooking speeds up the reaction further due to the high sulfur content in the white. Notice that you see alot of huge guys drinking them raw? Totally non-oxidized cholestorol even with an average of 70% DV per egg really won't hurt you. If you must cook it, do it "sunny side up" style where the yolk is still very much liquid you are having very minimal oxidation, and in that case even eating several eggs a day won't hurt you. I eat 2 eggs on most days cooked this way. I'd down them raw, but something about the yolk being cold makes me kinda gag a bit

Another thing that is important about this whole deal... blood pressure and high cholestorol and often MORE determined by genetics than by diet.

I eat tons of eggs with the yolk (about 6 every morning) and it hasn't affected my cholesterol levels. I usually get it checked every 6 months or so.