Good point about women and the studies Kooky. I would say that in general surveys like the two studies in question, especially with small sample sizes, don't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.
Kong, I'm glad that you love me, so please read what I've been posting. I do not dislike FR and I am not threatened by it! I just don't think many of the claims, often stated as fact here are not true, and I challenge their validity. I am also not pro-circumcision. The only real benfit that I see to it, is that in my experience and through certain studies like the one in this thread, plus my own experiences, American women tend to have a stigma against uncut penises. This doesn't mean the stigma is justified in anyway, it's the advantage that I see. That being said, I, for the record, 100% agree that circumcision is unecessary.
I have explained this over and over again each time we have discussed these issues. Each time you act as if I did not say as much and accuse me of being threatened by FR and promoting circumcision as somehow superior to not being cut. I do no such thing. Clearly defining this hasn't stopped you in the past, however, so I don't ecpect it to stop you this time either, so in that sense I guess I'd just like to make that clear for other people.
I am also firm in my belief that it is not as harmful as many claim, and that a vast mythology that I think is rarely based on fact so much as emotion and assumption has sprung up around it on the internet. I'm not threatened by it personally, though you seem intent on insisting this is the case. I just think for reasons that I have listed elsewhere that it is important that the other side of the case be presented.
I'm not threatened by cultural change or close-minded. I'm a strong social liberal and I am based out of San Francisco (world recognized as an open-minded kinda place) when not traveling. You don't know anything about what my beliefs are outside of circumcision, so please don't make broad generalizations about what kind of person I am. I am a man concerned with my appearence, but if I had acutally ever encoutnered some information that was convinced me that I stood to gain anything from FR in my own life, I wouldn't have a problem with pursuing.
By the way, and I meant to post this some other time but forgot, I have a fully intact frenulum (spelling?), which you will see when I post some pictures shortly. In a post a ways back I believe you changed your normal claim from the foreskin being the 'male clitoris' to the frenulum. Well, I've got one, and it's okay, but somehow I doubt the sensitivity there plays the same role in my sexual pleasure that a woman's clitoris does. As I've stated before, there are more nerves packed into a clit than the entire head of a man's penis. Not the same.