I have been hanging with hanger.I use the zenhanger also.I use the miracle slider extender.I have cheaper blue extender.I can see that cheap blue extender makes my penis stretch more than 8 pounds of weight hanging with zen or hanger and more the miracle slider.I warm up rice sock ten minutes than hang for 30 minutes than wet jelq lube for 10 minutes wait about 30 minutes before sets.I use the blue extender I don't no the name of it up for 30 minutes then down 30 minutes with 10 minute rice sock 10 minute jelq.still no gains.